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 Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Suck on this Sony fans!! |
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| Zyro wrote: |
http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html
Haha, and so begins the first nail that will be put into the PS3's coffin. |
Not enjoying others' pain, but that is awesome news. I can play 13 now without getting a PS3!!!! Woohoo!!!!!! |
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Birrix
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As much as I'm glad that 13 may come to 360 so its even more time that I can wait to get a PS3; saying that the PS3 is doomed (or words to that affect) is EXTREMELY uneducated. It just sold 800K in Europe, being the fastest selling console in the UK (and even possibly the whole of Europe) in it's opening weeks.
Games that are usually exclusive are going to be made multi-platform. and thats not just for PS3, as its the way the market is heading. Third party companies can make more money from going multi-platform and thats a fact.
Why would you revel in Sony/PS3 losing out anyway? The more competition the better! We don't want a company like Microsoft getting a monopoly over the market, or any company for that matter, otherwise they'll be able to dictate prices without us having much of a say in it. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:33 am Post subject: |
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What are you talking about Bill. They're not porting all games. There's going to be a lot of exclusive games for certain systems. (Twilight Princess and the Zelda franchise is the best example next to Mario)
I never said the PS3 sucked, I just said it won't do as well as the Wii or the 360. It may have sold 800K in the UK but that's just one place. It didn't sell half as well as the Wii or the 360 in North America. To be honest I don't think the PS3 is going to last, they don't have platform sellers and the only one that I can think of is MGS4 and it's release date hasn't even been announced yet. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| Birrix wrote: |
As much as I'm glad that 13 may come to 360 so its even more time that I can wait to get a PS3; saying that the PS3 is doomed (or words to that affect) is EXTREMELY uneducated. It just sold 800K in Europe, being the fastest selling console in the UK (and even possibly the whole of Europe) in it's opening weeks.
Games that are usually exclusive are going to be made multi-platform. and thats not just for PS3, as its the way the market is heading. Third party companies can make more money from going multi-platform and thats a fact.
Why would you revel in Sony/PS3 losing out anyway? The more competition the better! We don't want a company like Microsoft getting a monopoly over the market, or any company for that matter, otherwise they'll be able to dictate prices without us having much of a say in it. |
He revels in it, because he is, in his own words, an asshole. Or at least he wants everyone to think he's an asshole. So, he puts on his asshole cape before he goes out or goes online. But deep down he is really a softy.
However, if you'd like me to slap him, I can do that. Just say the word!! |
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stephan.weis
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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Heh, that's the best news I've heard all day.
Oh, and yes competition is important but the reason myself and many gamers are happy about the failure of the PS3 is because SONY got a big head and they're pretty much one of the worst videogame companies at the moment. They spit on every gamer with their 600 dollar pricetag and the fact that they absolutely fracking forcefeed you the BluRay player whether you like it or not.
I don't know about you but I refuse to pay more than 400 dollars for a home gaming console. Anything over $300 to me personally is still too much, but what can ya do?
Anyways that's awesome. Wii still outselling PS3 at a margin of 2:1. |
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Birrix
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One place? Zyro, EUROPE, not just the UK, is a whole continent that is just as important to the gaming industry as North America. Whether you like it or not. The PS3 is not going to do worse, current statistics pretty much show that as it's sold more here in the time its been around than any other console.
Did I say every game was porting? Did I hell. I said more and more THIRD PARTY titles were going to be MULTI-PLATFORM. Thats not porting, thats creating a game from the get go that'll be developed for multiple consoles at the same time. Of course Nintendo games won't reach Sony consoles, beacause they are FIRST PARTY games.
Sony hasn't "got a big head" from anything, the technology for Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is going to be ESSENTIAL for next gen gaming in the future. Games like Gears Of War had to compress a hell of a lot files for it to fit on DVD. FACT. Blu-Ray is an extremely complex technology and the PS3's price tag is really really low for it. Yeah, you may not want to buy into an unproven tech, but it's gunna do wonders for the gaming world. Even Microsoft have said they will create a Blu-Ray add-on for 360 if it becomes the eventual winner of the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray war.
Look at this link: http://nexgenwars.com/
See those sale statistics? Those are world wide, and considering that a) ALL Sony consoles have gotten off with a high price and slow start and b) they eventually become the biggest selling console of the lot. This makes your point completely moot, as 3 mil compared to 10 mil, and almost a year's difference in North America, Japan and almost a year and a half in Europe is pretty good. In all fairness to Nintendo they are doing a great job so far, but there isn't ONE single title that I'm looking forward to besides Smash Bros. I just can't see any "great" games coming out for it and I can almost guarantee it'll go the way of the Game Cube eventually. Even if it does take a year or two longer to do so.
Whilst I'm not gunna buy a £450 console (or $600 or whatever it is in North America), and that I already own and love a 360, I'm not just gunna sit here whilst you all come up with a load of crappy fan boy reasons for wanting the PS3 to fail. Stop being so incredibley petty, there's absolutely no point in there being a clear cut winner as it would damage our strength as consumers if there was less competition. And believe me, the games would start becoming extremely CRAPPY and sloppy because of the lack of competition. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I don't agree that Sony "spit" on anyone. As Bill pointed out, they were trying to truly be next gen and that costs money. And I dont think you can compare the Wii and the PS3 since the Wii is NOT next gen but rather a slightly fancier gamecube. The only thing it's got is that new fangled controller which works for some types of games and sucks for others. I also don't think that FFXIII will be coming to the Wii.
Now, as a 360 owner, I understand the high price. However, if you want hi-def and next gen graphics and amazing games like GoW, you have to pay a little more. I will get a PS3 just not as early, as Bill said.
P.S. I feel a vicious slapping coming on!!! |
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stephan.weis
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Man you people are delusional. If you can't see how Sony got a big head from crushing the competition two generations in a row, then you're friggin' blind.
Nintendo got a big head after the Super Nintendo. They thought they were the s***, and they released the N64 banking on the fact that their quality over quantity model was going to win them another war. Well it didn't. The fact that they used outdated technology and a small amount of 3rd party support made sure that Sony won that generation.
Now guess what happened? The same thing happened with Sony. They had the market in the palm of their hand with the PS2 and then they go and make the PS3 which is a complete abomination. How is this not alienating their fanbase?
Forcefeeding them Blu-Ray technology, even if they don't need it? Heck Sony's track record concerning new formats has been horrible. Betamax while superior to the VHS standard at the time was too pricey. Then their awesome foray into the world of UMD which was absolutely terrible and garnered very little support from the movie industry. Blu-Ray isn't gonna be any different. And at least the Xbox gives you the option. It isn't forced down your throat. You can CHOOSE to buy the HD-DVD addon. WOW! What a ****ing concept! CHOICE!
Slapping on a 600 dollar pricetag? Forcing companies to develop in high-def and making it extremely difficult for them to develop all because of the "amazing" Cell Proccessor? Games have been cancelled on the PS3 just for that reason. Smaller development houses can't even afford to make games on the PS3 because of the costs involved.
Stealing Nintendo's tech for the Wii, slapping it together and calling it "revolutionary" (That was a great one)? The downgrading of PS2 games when played on the PS3, as opposed to the upscaling to 480p of all Xbox games played on an Xbox360. This was COMPLETELY lazy!
Because of these blunders the PS3 hasn't sold nearly as well as they should have and they're losing more and more support by the day.
Anyways, I really don't need to continue because I've made my points. Sony crapped on everyone with the PS3 and I hope they crash and burn for it, because they deserve it. I hope the Xbox360 and the Wii have continued success, and here's to HD-DVD, the superior format, winning that war. |
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Birrix
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| stephan.weis wrote: |
Man you people are delusional. If you can't see how Sony got a big head from crushing the competition two generations in a row, then you're friggin' blind.
Nintendo got a big head after the Super Nintendo. They thought they were the s***, and they released the N64 banking on the fact that their quality over quantity model was going to win them another war. Well it didn't. The fact that they used outdated technology and a small amount of 3rd party support made sure that Sony won that generation.
Now guess what happened? The same thing happened with Sony. They had the market in the palm of their hand with the PS2 and then they go and make the PS3 which is a complete abomination. How is this not alienating their fanbase?
Forcefeeding them Blu-Ray technology, even if they don't need it? Heck Sony's track record concerning new formats has been horrible. Betamax while superior to the VHS standard at the time was too pricey. Then their awesome foray into the world of UMD which was absolutely terrible and garnered very little support from the movie industry. Blu-Ray isn't gonna be any different. And at least the Xbox gives you the option. It isn't forced down your throat. You can CHOOSE to buy the HD-DVD addon. WOW! What a ****ing concept! CHOICE!
Slapping on a 600 dollar pricetag? Forcing companies to develop in high-def and making it extremely difficult for them to develop all because of the "amazing" Cell Proccessor? Games have been cancelled on the PS3 just for that reason. Smaller development houses can't even afford to make games on the PS3 because of the costs involved.
Stealing Nintendo's tech for the Wii, slapping it together and calling it "revolutionary" (That was a great one)? The downgrading of PS2 games when played on the PS3, as opposed to the upscaling to 480p of all Xbox games played on an Xbox360. This was COMPLETELY lazy!
Because of these blunders the PS3 hasn't sold nearly as well as they should have and they're losing more and more support by the day.
Anyways, I really don't need to continue because I've made my points. Sony crapped on everyone with the PS3 and I hope they crash and burn for it, because they deserve it. I hope the Xbox360 and the Wii have continued success, and here's to HD-DVD, the superior format, winning that war. |
Sony still has a huge 3rd party back up, the technology is necessary. Read this and prepare to realise what I'm on a bout. http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1010.html Its a developer goes on about how Blu-Ray or HD-DVD is going to be essential in the future. People are still buying it regardless of the price tag and as soon as it cuts, which it will eventually, it'll sell like hot cakes.
Like it or not, and I don't where you got the "superior format" thing from as Blu-Ray is can hold a lot more on one disc, Blu-Ray is going to make a hell of a difference, in a much more positive way, to gaming. It's not opinion, it's fact. I don't care what you think of Sony, they've made their mistakes and they're paying for it, but even if they won't be the actual "winners" of this war the PS3 will still be successful. Stop being such a fan boy to Nintendo and start looking at the bigger picture because it's getting tiresome. |
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Okay...let's try to be the open minded and mature people I know you all to be. You both make some good points, but I think the point overall, is that Birrix is making them without attacking anyone, without taking pleasure in anyone's pain, and without making this personal. Yes, he did call you a fanboy but you really do sound like one. Disagreeing is very healthy but let's do it without malice.
And just because I have to address some of your offhanded criticisms, stephan, Sony didn't force feed anyone anything. People can choose not to get a ps3 if they don't want to and many are. But, that doesn't mean that as more people get true hi-def machines over the next couple of years that more people won't get one. Blu-ray and HD are both the future of DVD and being the first to put one in a game machine is not a mistake. Sony was looking far ahead, trying to give people a system that will last for longer than a couple of years. And they didn't steal any technology from Nintendo...they have been developing similar technology for a long time. It isn't the same and they don't play to the same type of gamer.
Oh and those who don't want to get a ps3 can still play lots of games on their ps2's. The biggest selling game on consoles for the first quarter of this year, by far, was God of War II.
No corporation is good. Really, Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, all multinational corporations that are only out to make money. Can't say any one of them is better or has more integrity than the others. So, really, is it necessary to glory in mistakes they've made. I never rubbed in Nintendo's stupidity to you even when I thought they'd made huge blunders.
We all love different things. I am a huge fanboy of Beast Wars and Beast Machines and never enjoyed the original series. I could write a 20 page essay detailing why the Beast series are far superior and then make you all read it but that would be really insensitive.
So, this is a warning: play nice. Don't make me become a horrible, intruding admin like I've encountered before. Be mature and let's all play nice!!! |
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Sorry for being a bit off hand in that last post. I just personally can't see where Stephan is coming from. You made a lot of good comments BA and basically reiterated what I was trying to say, albeit in a more articulate manner 
Another point, not purposefully trying to continue debate but feel it needs to be said, is that Sony have made a completely backwards compatible machine that not only runs Blu-Ray, but all formats of DVD (bar HD-DVD) AND CD. Xbox 360 doesn't do this and the Wii definately doesn't. Therefore, by your logic, Sony IS giving the choice, more of a choice to play old PS2 games than MSoft have done with the 360. In fact as soon as the 360 came out, the Xbox was discontinued and no first party titles were developed for it, whereas the PS2 is still having games brought out for it.
I could go on but I feel this should really end the discussion unless we are going to discuss the possible future of a multiplatform FXIII in a calm and educated manner. No hard feelings? |
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| Another point, not purposefully trying to continue debate but feel it needs to be said, is that Sony have made a completely backwards compatible machine that not only runs Blu-Ray, but all formats of DVD (bar HD-DVD) AND CD. Xbox 360 doesn't do this and the Wii definately doesn't. |
See this is exactly why I can't take you seriously. You spout off nonsense like this when you don't even know what you're talking about. Do a little fact checking beforehand.
Xbox 360 is backwards compatible. It can play a huge array of Xbox games and their list is constantly being updated. The PS3 on the other hand just seems to have problems playing them: http://news.cnet.co.uk/gamesgear/0,39029682,49288660,00.htm
And like I said before it downscales while the 360 upscales. There are videos all over youtube showing it.
Also, the Xbox plays CDs and DVD's as well! Where is this coming from?
And the Wii, for Christs sake its a gaming machine, what does it need a DVD player for? That's what DVD players are for. Another reason the system is competetively priced. Plus the Wii is getting a DVD player in the future, as an option. Unlike the Blu-Ray, again, which is forced on you.
And as it being backwards compatible, check your facts for Christs sake. The Wii is 100% backwards compatible with the Gamecube. Every single Gamecube game works on it. Not to mention all of the great Virtual Console games downloadable off their Shopping Channel (from NES, SNES, N64, Sega Genesis, TurboGrafx 16 and soon Neo Geo).
I'm honestly done with this though. Your arguments are ridiculous and unfounded.[/url] |
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Why don't YOU check the facts! Stop insulting me when I'm trying to make up! For christs sake, the US machines are almost fully backwards compatible for PS3! They are working on fixing those that aren't as well. 360 is NOT fully compatible to the standard of the PS3 and is actually uncompatible unless a patch is downloaded. Not everyone has access to the net to do this. The downscaling issue has also been dealt with in a recent update patch. If I'm mistaken then I'm 100% certain it will be fixed in a future patch, although I'm almost certain in saying it's already been sorted.
In Europe, the PS3 has trouble with compatibility due to hardware changes to make the European machines cheaper. Something that I'm validly not happy with Sony for. Even then around 70-80% of ALL PS2 and PS1 games play to some degree, but even then they are working on it like Microsoft did with 360. Is 360 completely backward compatible? NO. Is the US and JAP PS3 almost 100% backward compatible? YES. And you say Sony spat on their fans?
And why mention the virtual console? I know full well what it is, and similar things are apparent on both the Live Arcade and PSN. It's not backwards compatibility, they are just emulating the games, pretty similar to roms. Even if you misunderstood what I wrote, I wasn't going on about Gamecube/Wii compatibility either as I know full well about its functionality as the console itself has pretty much all the Gamecube components inside it.
I wasn't on about whether a console should have DVD playing or not, I was merely stating a fact. I couldn't care less frankly, but I was trying to display the fact that Sony gives this option as a choice, a point you have so frequently brought up, whereas Nintendo haven't. Does Xbox 360 run Blu-Ray? Read my post again and thats what I meant, the 360 can't run all of those formats whereas the PS3 can. This gives the consumer the choice between using blu-ray for things other than gaming if they want to, but 360 or Wii don't do this. You complain about PS3 price tag? Alright, you don't HAVE to buy the HD-DVD add on, but over here a 360 costs around £300 (with games) and about £150 for the add-on. Thats £450. The PS3 however, which comes with HDMI cables and Blu-Ray pre-installed into the system (with a game package) costs £425 if you look in the right places. Want more? Ok!
The average Blu-Ray disc costs around £25 for a movie. The same price that some DVD's still cost, and definately the same price they released at way back when. The only reason Blu-Ray looks so expensive is due to the shockingly low prices of DVDs at the minute. As its a new tech which is complicated to burn onto disc its fairly priced, but if you dont want to fork it out, choice is there to play DVDs anyway! Want even more? Alrighty then.
PS3 games launched at a maximum price of £40 over here. As did Wii games. 360 games launched at a maximum (and often very frequent) price of £50. 360 uses DVD, PS3 uses Blu-Ray, a completely new tech that costs hell of a lot more than DVD to produce! Why do Microsoft, then, continuously charge the higher price for games? Are they spitting on their fans?
I suspect you didn't read my last article, but here's another just in case:
http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/19/sony-claims-xbox-360-requires-hd-dvd-etc-thus-costs-700/
I know you're adamant its forced, but there's a comparison to put things into perspective.
I'm a fan of all consoles. People should just accept different games and consoles for what they are and try to enjoy and embrace them. If you don't do that they you can really miss out on some truely stunning and innovative titles out there. Games are supposed to be about fun, not arguing why Sony, or other money making gaming corporations, suck because they made a few mistakes.
Carry on trying to insult my intelligence, whilst making yourself look like a raging fan boy fool who blindly follows any anti-PS3/Sony media, and I'll start to get nasty with you. I've tried playing nice BA, but I'm lost at words with his arguements as they are getting to the point where it seems as if he is just attaking my opinion for the sake of it. I respect your opinion Stephan, whether the feeling is mutual or not, but I'm just trying to explain where I think you are misinformed on certain topics regarding consoles. If YOU can't just leave it where it is and carry on talking about FFXIII exclustivity without being an ass to me then I may as well just leave the forum for a period before I get pretty angry. And that rarely happens online so consider yourself a rarity. |
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Heh, you'd probably end up murdering the people at the General Boards at IGN.
Anyways I don't want any bloodshed and I think we've made our points.
(Also, for the record, I worked as an Xbox Tech Support Agent and you don't need the internet to get updates for backwards compatible games. Microsoft can send you a free CD in the mail, or you can download one and burn it yourself. Xbox Live is not required.) |
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