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 Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: episode 23: How to Stop an Exploding Man |
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I think everyone's still in a little bit of a shock after watching the finale.
So Many Questions...
-Why did Nathan redeem himself?
-Is Peter dead?
-What happened to Sylar, was he dragged into the sewer, or did he crawl in himself?
-Is Hiro going to die?
-What is the symbolism of the eclipse?
-What is the symbolism of the spiral staircase that Sylar and Peter fought in front of?
-And is it just me or does the samuri Kensei look exactly like Hiro's father?
So many questions. Man this was such a frikkin awesome episode, and i want everyone to contribute to answering these questions.
Now personally, i think that the symbolisom of the two staircases colliding was really cool. It probably represented Peter and Sylar and how their powers grew to finally collide in battle. Maybe it represented all of the different paths that the heroes took to lead to that final place. Either way it was well placed.
Now if you watch the ending of this episode again and look at the samuri holding the godsend flag (Kensei... maybe?) he looks exactly like Hiro's father (probably same actor too lol). Now this means a lot of things...
1. Hiro's a direct descendant of Kensei which is why Hiro's father was impressing the Nakamura legacy onto him.
2. Hiro is cool
3. Kensei was probably the first 'Hero' to have powers.
And it means other stuff too but i want ALL of you guys to contribute!
MORE QUESTIONS! MORE ANSWERS! MORE THEORIES
GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW! |
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Great episode!
Here's what I think:
"Why did Nathan redeem himself?" Because he's a good person and he was just doing what both his mother and Linderman wanted, I think he had doubt in his mind from the first he heard the plan from Linderman.
"Is Peter dead?" I doubt it.
"What happened to Sylar, was he dragged into the sewer, or did he crawl in himself?" I think he crawled away.
"Is Hiro going to die?" Once again, I doubt it.
"What is the symbolism of the eclipse?" No idea but it has been showing up since the first episode, so it's probably going to be really inportant to the heroes
"What is the symbolism of the spiral staircase that Sylar and Peter fought in front of?" Was that symbolism? I never really thought of it. Maybe it's to do with the two facing off or maybe the helix. I have no idea.
"And is it just me or does the samuri Kensei look exactly like Hiro's father?" Could be the same actor. I didn't really notice. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: |
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Glad someone posted a thread about this. And great questions, here's my thoughts.
-Why did Nathan redeem himself?
Because Nathan isn't a bad person. He was always trying to do good and look at the big picture, but he realized that what he was doing wasn't exactly for the good of humanity.
-Is Peter dead?
Very very much doubt it. He has Claire's power of regeneration. Besides, he seems to be the 'leader' archtype character. I doubt very much they'd kill off such a character.
-What happened to Sylar, was he dragged into the sewer, or did he crawl in himself?
Perhaps he was dragged by the man who's "worse then Sylar" or he crawled, either way it doesn't bode well for the Heroes
-Is Hiro going to die?
Nah, he can't die. He's Hiro, if he were to die it'd be a much more sudden death and a big shock to the fans.
-What is the symbolism of the eclipse?
I'm not sure, but both of the Eclipse's we've seen have been Total Eclipses. I'm not sure what else, perhaps it has something to do with Astrology, the aligning of planets maybe?
-What is the symbolism of the spiral staircase that Sylar and Peter fought in front of?
To me it sort of resembles a double helix. Perhaps it signifies two opposing forces coming together. But an interesting note, that the double helix is typically associated with DNA. Perhaps this is a subtle way of the writers telling us how Sylar absorbs others abilities?
-And is it just me or does the samuri Kensei look exactly like Hiro's father?
I noticed the resemblance to. My friend has a theory that Hiro's father is Kensei, and that Kensei simply has had many different children over the years. But yes, I definatly saw a resemblance (Go Sulu!!) |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:31 am Post subject: |
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If anyone else has any other questions or theories then post them too. There's so much invovled in the last episode that it hurts. I've got a few more ideas.
Why is Mr. Bennett's first name Noah, what does it represent?-
I think HRG called himself Noah for a really good reason but I'm not sure what it represents. The only Noah I know of is the story of Noah and his Arc, but I dont see how Mr. Bennett relates to that.
What is Hiro's father's power?-
I'm wondering if Hiro's father is truly Kensei, and therefore he can't die from age.
Where did Sylar get his ice power?-
Hehe, I got a tip from a certain Zanko of where Sylar got this power. Remember waaayyy back when we first met Matt and he found the little girl under the crawl space? Well the father was killed by Sylar's signature move, the HEAD SLICE *shling!* *pop!*, aaaaaannd the body was frozen. Probably Sylar testing out his new power.
and last but DEFINETLY not least...
...who is the man Molly spoke of who, if she thinks of, can see her and knows where she is?...-
Very creepy. In fact, i think its creepier than Sylar. I honestly have no clue whatsoever who this could possibly be. But i do think that he might be the Villian, on top of Sylar, for Season 2.
That's all i have. Like I said before, please people we need more theories. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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I think Noah is his name but you might be onto something about his name being some symbolism. Noah in Noah's Arc took animals two by two for the new world (something along the lines of that) and Maybe that's what HRG's part in all of this is.
Thanks for pointing that out Chev.  |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Okay, first off, what a great thread. You rock, Chev! And second off, it's very difficult for me to order my thoughts these days and to focus. So, expect errors and some confusion in the upcoming post but here goes:
Why did Nathan redeem himself?
Because, as Zro pointed out, he is a very good person who has been trying to do the right thing. He was just confused by others and forgot what that was. He honestly thought that he could reorder the world and make it a better place. Many people believe that our world is too far gone and that we have to have some kind of apocalyptic event so we can "thin the herd" and start again. But, in the end, he looked at Peter and all that he has done, and realized what was really the right thing.
Is Peter dead?
No, definitely not. He could have survived the explosion and even the fall back down to earth. He'll be back.
What happened to Sylar, was he dragged into the sewer, or did he crawl in himself?
He dragged himself away. He is definitely still alive somewhere and will likely be back at some point...maybe next season...maybe the one after that. I love the fact that he was there to stop Peter from blowing up and in many ways, there was a role reversal. At least that was the implication.
Is Hiro going to die?
No way. But I do think he will be more key to the action this season. In an interview, Kring admitted they made a huge mistake when they had Hiro and Ando go off on the sword quest. They tried to bring more humour in and it didn't work...people just got frustrated.
Hiro is the key to the group. He is probably the only hero who is safe for the next couple of seasons. (Of course, now that I say that, they'll go and kill him off next year.)
What is the symbolism of the eclipse?
I think the eclipse, which appears every time more heroes are activated and come to use their powers, is a symbol of darkness descending upon our world and the need for a miraculous transformation. For the new heroes to come and try to stop the growing darkness.
What is the symbolism of the spiral staircase that Sylar and Peter fought in front of?
I love the theories above. I think it's definitely a link to the helix symbol and that I think is how Suresh's father identified the heroes. They may have an anomolous single helix in their dna. And the idea of the opposites locked in battle is great too.
And is it just me or does the samuri Kensei look exactly like Hiro's father?
I haven't watched the finale a second time yet but when I do, I'll take a closer look. But ever since they found the legend of Kensei, I have had a theory that Hiro is descended from him and therefore, was the rightful owner of the sword all along. But it could be that his father is immortal and has been waiting for all these years for a son to be born with the power.
I cried so hard when I realized what Nathan was doing. I love his character and knew he had to redeem himself. And yet, as much as I loved his redemption, I have to ask, Why? Why didn't he just remind Peter that HE COULD HAVE FLOWN HIMSELF INTO THE ATMOSPHERE!!! I have to assume they will address this in the opener next season and that maybe Peter was using all his concentration on not blowing up too soon. And poor Adrian Pasdar has lost another great series. He is such an amazing actor and deserves to be back. But even though I can think of ways that he could have survived, I know that in a show like Heroes, he's likely dead and also that if he does survive, it will really weaken the power of his sacrifice. |
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Hey everyone! I felt there were some unanswered questions by the season finale, but it wouldn't be a good season finale if that weren't the case, right?
First off, what a HELL of an episode, and a great and dramatic ending! I really, really loved how Nikki finally came into her own without being taken over by Jessica. She knocked the excrement out of Candice, and did a pretty good job wailing on Sylar, too. Does that mean, then, that Nikki's body had the super-strength all along, just a lack of the needed courage to use it at will? And of course, if that's the case, doesn't it mean also that Peter now has it, making him cooler than ever?
Why did Nathan redeem himself? Well, it's just that he turned out to be a brave hero instead of a cowardly piece of butt-matter. I think it's great that he did. As you all may have noticed, he was really starting to piss me off. He represented multiple aspects of *potential* heroism in the time leading up to the finale, and he was beginning to look more and more like he was going to take the wussy way out and dash out his inner hero's brains all over the sidewalk. I mean, he could have just stayed away and covered his own ass, and could have bought into Linderman's and his mother's bullcrap. But he didn't!
Now, of course, the question becomes, did he get fried in the explosion or die he take Peter up to the sky and dart away at the last second, getting himself out of range? He is wicked fast in flight, as you all remember. Either way, at least he finished the season seeming to have a conscience after all; even if he got away, he put himself at incredible risk. What a lousy politician he'd have ended up being.
Peter is most likely not dead. Claire's power should allow him to survive the fall, and the explosion caused by Ted's power would not harm him, as Ted's power doesn't harm its user.
I can't decide if Sylar crawled away or if he was dragged away by the new villain, whatever his name is, the one who can see Molly when she sees him using her power. I guess his power would be some sort of advanced mental powers. Personally I can't wait to see what Mrs. Petrelli's power is; she obviously has one, as she was once part of the "old order" of superheroes that included (at least) her, Linderman, and Mr. Deveaux. Speaking of Mr. Deveaux, pretty interesting power. What would you call that? Seeing across time? Appearing in dreams or memories across time? Either way, that was kind of cool.
Nah, Hiro won't die. But I do bet that his dad is in fact, Kensei, and that *his* power is super-longevity, or immortality.
Parkman may be dead. I know a lot of you don't like him, but I always did. I hate to admit it, but Sylar's move on him was pretty cool.
Anyway, maybe more later.
Gotta go!
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| I really, really loved how Nikki finally came into her own without being taken over by Jessica. She knocked the excrement out of Candice, and did a pretty good job wailing on Sylar, too. Does that mean, then, that Nikki's body had the super-strength all along, just a lack of the needed courage to use it at will? |
Yah, i forgot to point out how much i thought that was cool. And i also liked how Jessica still had a concscience and put Nikki in control before she killed DL. It also makes me wonder if Jessica is finally done terrorizing Nikki, completely gone altogether, or still with Nikki but just not a freaky who likes to take her over.
I also posted a thread a while ago asking if anyone had any clues about the silouhette of the girl in the window. Well in one of the final episodes i saw the painting again and I'm wondering if anyone knows the significance of it.
One more thing thats bugging me. Why didn't the director make Peter and Sylar fight in a big battle instead of throwing a few punches, that was disappointing. Think how cool it woulda been if Peter went invisible and chucked Sylar into a building with telepathy. Then Sylar used super hearing to shoot freezing stuff at Peter, but Peter started to feel the radioactive stuff and get a blast of radiation off at Sylar before Hiro stabbed him.
That woulda been pretty sweet. But i guess that would kinda throw off the pace and ambience of the show anyway. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Trouble with us is, we've all seen so many fantastically cool superhero fights that it's made us jaded. I liked the ending battle, but I have to agree that it could have been done more impressively.
However, most of the superhumans are only at what might be considered an intermediate level of skill with their powers. That's probably why, despite their efforts, they managed to subdue Sylar but not to finish him off completely. Not to mention they were probably all kind of distracted by Nathan's turn for the better at the end.
One other thing about this season that sort of stuck in my craw a bit was how Sylar seemed to be able to circumvent other people's powers at times. My brother's theory is that his own original innate power of seeing how things work just by looking at them allows him to see exactly what they are doing and thus how to get around it.
That makes him a particularly good foil for Hiro and for several of the other people's powers, explaining why Eden wasn't able to affect him the second time. Not to mention I found it to be an excellent bit of character history writing. |
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